Curse

frojack · Aug 16, 2006, 11:57 AM // 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terra Xin

Ritualist counter would be a rit spammer with Preservation.... one on one of course. And then make warrior secondary and take painful bond + wild blow. Easy and done^^.

Eh? You can't spam Preservation. It's an elite. Just like the spam skills. As soon as most touchers see the spirit healing you, they just touch the spirit. With Preservation destroyed you are now back to square one.

See? This is the 'theory' I was talking _-_...

Silent Kitty · Aug 16, 2006, 12:07 PM // 12:07

As long as there are touch rangers, mesmers are leet. Since many people don't know how to play mesmer, they think mesmers suck.
Soon there will be a majority who think touchers should be nerfed, and chances become bigger that Anet will nerf them. After that, mesmers will become a little more useless because there are no more "noob" touchers to own.
More time for mesmers to own monks, to start the debate about if mesmer's diversion should be nerfed.
This goes on and on, when the nerf ball starts roling.

Guitary Boy · Aug 16, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Every one knows diversion kills a toucher, but what is the chance you have a mesmer carrying diversion in ra? or a half decent one against the god knows how many touch rangers in the opposing team in ab.

These to areas may be the most disorgainized and uncivilized from of pvp you can get (e.g kurzicks will rise up and conquer the world, please visit my websit www.what ever name.com on how to conquer the world with kurzicks) back on topic, experienced pvpers wouldnt usually come here exept for a messaround and a few guild messarounds.

But imagine how frustrating it can be to have 5, maybe 6 touchers on the other team, and your not running a e - surge ect. So the idea of fun in ab is running around like headless chickens from touch rangers. Ra is'nt to pretty either, occasionly you will get a 2-3 toucher team and its a massicre even if by some mirachle you have a mesmer carrying diversion. What i dont understand is why anet dont make them "touch" skills. Sure they are fun to play but not if your on the other end. The fastest way to get rid of a touch ranger is
A. Wait for his stances to run out, or wild blow him then outdamage his healing. (hardest)
B. Diversion.
C. Some people may be a bit wtf, but let the stance run out, or have your warrior carry wild blow then use this pretty standard combo to take them out ; AoD, Golden phoenix strike, horns of the oxe (or shock depending on situation)Falling spiker, twisting fangs, if you have full energy giving armour wich you should have seeing as assasins dont generally fight, and +5 energy daggers, get another golden pheonix strike in and bam.

D. Some kind of cripple, heavy degen spam.

yesitsrob · Aug 16, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

touchers have nothing on thumpers. k. that's real expertise abbuse for ya, not this vampiric garbage

Terra Xin · Aug 16, 2006, 12:44 PM // 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by frojack

Eh? You can't spam Preservation. It's an elite. Just like the spam skills. As soon as most touchers see the spirit healing you, they just touch the spirit. With Preservation destroyed you are now back to square one.

See? This is the 'theory' I was talking _-_...

.... *huff*

Rt/N - The 2-minute-anti-vampire-build
Rigor Mortis
Barbs
Dissonance
Bloodsong
Pain
Boon of Creation
Wanderlust
Vital WEapon

actually, I just pulled that one out of my A**, not sure if it would work... It should work...

(I dont think ive come up with a player smart enough to realise that it was preservation healing me.... sometimes they'll just hit me for ages...)

Sekkira · Aug 16, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guitary Boy

C. Some people may be a bit wtf, but let the stance run out, or have your warrior carry wild blow then use this pretty standard combo to take them out ; AoD, Golden phoenix strike, horns of the oxe (or shock depending on situation)Falling spiker, twisting fangs, if you have full energy giving armour wich you should have seeing as assasins dont generally fight, and +5 energy daggers, get another golden pheonix strike in and bam.

Why would you have a Warrior using Dagger Mastery?

So you go on complaining about touchers and then offer some standard PvP strategies to counter them? You forgot the most standard of all that every half decent pvper should use: Kiting.

jmj102 · Aug 16, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

I think we should all give in a become touch rangers, then the winners will be the ones that can touch the fastest and so forth.

Theus · Aug 16, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

As long as there are touch rangers, mesmers are leet. Since many people don't know how to play mesmer, they think mesmers suck.
Soon there will be a majority who think touchers should be nerfed, and chances become bigger that Anet will nerf them. After that, mesmers will become a little more useless because there are no more "noob" touchers to own.
More time for mesmers to own monks, to start the debate about if mesmer's diversion should be nerfed.
This goes on and on, when the nerf ball starts roling.

Wouldn't be surprising.Considering that Anet has nerfed the shit out of anything good in the Domination Attribute.

Lord Cooper · Aug 16, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

snares + heavy degen = dead touch ranger ( or anything else for that matter)

loyalar · Aug 16, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

I usually play with Touchway @ Ha, won HoH (alliance team usually [Wf] team) and we have won [luna], [math] etc.
because touchers are so overpowered? (They are a bit).

Imo:

- We have great touchway leader
- We know all the maps & tactics
- We always try to play with same exprianced team.
- Ts/Vt

Still we can't do anything to healing ball and Vims are hard too.
"OMGLOL can't win healingball with toucher, NERFNERF!!"

We have seen many other touchway teams, but they have always lost to us.
Really it is not that easy to play toucher (At Ha, it is stupid at Ra)
it really takes skill to win vimway with touchway.
We have still lost to balanced builds too.

Some counters:

1. Slowdown skills (I really hate these)
2. Degen
3. Kiting
4. Diversion
5. Blackout spike (blackout + all on that toucher = dead)
6. AoE dmg (meteor shower...)

Touchway can't do Anything to very organised team.
Degen + slowdown + kiting = there is your counter
Easy?

-Loyalar

Mithie · Aug 16, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Balthazar brought you into this world with legs for a purpose: for running away from touchers. I don't see what the big deal with touchers are. Sure they're very easy to play and can put out some semi-significant amount of damage that your monk might use a little more effort to heal through, but really, nothing about them is "overpowering", in a sense.

Kakumei · Aug 16, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

(When did Kakumei come back? I thought she was banned!)

I was, for two months, for being especially mean. I'm back now, though, so I guess I should be nicer or something. :S

On topic...I already put in my two cents on topic. Yes, there are counters; there are counters to the old Spirit Spam too, but that didn't stop it from being incredibly goddamn annoying.

loyalar · Aug 16, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

well... we usually run to other teams ghostly and just kill it and only infuse can hold us for while.

-Loyalar